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Post10 Oct 08 12:14 am
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I think sellers should be encouraged to advertise directly over here or other similar web sites, Keep open house every Saturday and Sunday for atleast two weeks to discover best possible price buyer want to offer. This will create win win situation for both buyer and seller. If both parties save on agents commission deals will be settled faster.


Try think from seller perspective...if you want to sell your house now...would you want to engage agent? well, for me I definitely will...why? Because when agent come and knock on your door...you can just tell them that you want to sell your house at 20K or 30K COV...and ask the agent to sell more for his own commission...Don't care how much you can sell...as long as I can get 20K cash nett! is that make sense? Different case for those who have to sell urgently but for those who are not serious...why not just give it a try? nothing to lose...if the agent can sell with good price then sell if not then don't sell loh...


If I'm selling my flat now, I'm definitely not engaging any agent. Coz if I want sell at cov 20K for a flat say 200K, 2% comm is 4k, so I get 16K instead of 20K.
- That why i said the seller will ask the agent to sell at at least 22K (20K + 2K agent commission..negotiate to 1% instead of 2%)...well, that is what the seller did when i bought his house. He is smart!

If agent cannot get buyer at such high cov, selling of house say drag til price drop and have to sell at valuation, I still have to sell and pay a few Ks commission (bomb!) even if I don't get any cash from the sales proceed (wah lao eh heart pain pain leh!) Crying or Very sad
- Thats why I said there are some not serious seller just try their luck. they dont care whether can sell or not, if can sell high good for them if not then dont sell. And anyway, price drop or increase..no one will know...

So if I sell it myself, i earn 100% cov and even if sell at valuation, i don't have to fork out any cash to pay agent. Laughing
- try to read carefully and understand it. Even if seller ask agent to sell...they will get what they want as well, but of course to the expense of buyers!! just like you want to sell your car at 60K and you ask someone to sell it for you...you do not care how much they can sell as long as you get what you want (the 60K). No more commission...its up to them to earn their commission from the selling price...thats why there are lots of agent out there given freedom to sell at certain price by seller.

Resale procedure is quite straight forward and paper work is not that difficult afterall, with HDB's help... Cool
- Yes, you are absolutely right. I've gone through that and it is bloody damn simple. But if im a seller, i will definitely engage agent. why bother to do those things when you can have the same result? [color=orange](if same result why engage and pay?)[/color]

Do our own advertisments also won't cost us a bomb... Wink

No time to market own house?? Watch less TV (save electricity thus save $), do less shoppings (save $), less gatherings with friends and relatives, less posting non-essential messages (like what i'm doing now...), etc... after house sold we can use these saved $$ to celebrate at new house. Wink


thanks for sharing with us what some agents and sellers are doing...ripping buyers off! Evil or Very Mad

so much so for buyers paying commission to seller's agent...what services has the agent rendered to the buyer? only disservice! those who kept emphasis buyers need to pay seller's agent must be doing this or worst...get 2% + 1%...only one word for this type of agent...greedy!

this type of practice should be reported!



I'm just wondering, taking commission from both parties the seller and the buyer. Do you consider it as a bribery(in some sense)? At all time the agent should only act in the interest of 1 party. If he/she were to take from both, which side is he incline to? If he is already standing on the seller side, doesn't it seem that, taking money again from the buyer is like a form of corruption and bribery?


Would it have been better if government impose such a law that in a single transaction, an agent can only represent 1 party and can only charge on their respective party. Should such a law be impose, do you think the agent will still be so -censored-? And between fellow agent, the case of undercutting become lower.
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Post10 Oct 08 12:20 am
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Bo bian lah... it's case by case basis.

1) If a lousy unit asking for high price, buyer comes along and wanted to buy but didn't want to pay comm, no choice if wish to seal the deal.

2) If a good unit asking for reasonable low price, all buyers offered the same amount at the same time, I would sell it to the person who can pay me the highest comm.

It depends on how you ask for your comm, I got a $10k comm from buyer, for a purchase of a HDB costing $350k.

If buyer not willing to pay me this $10k, I will sell it to someone else who offered the same price. It's sales talk.

If you're not willing to pay comm, perhaps my selling price should increase by another 10k. Then again, the first 2 factors applies.



I think if we were to take this in a business point of view, I would consider this case a corruption or bribery case. Isn't it similar. Contradiction in the benefits between buyer and seller.
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Post10 Oct 08 9:23 am
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in my case..the agent get 1% from me and 1% from seller...so the seller actually did not pay the agent any fee and get what he is asking for as well...eventhough I did all the job...I browse net and newspaper, call him, go to view the flat myself, go back myself, apply HLE myself, chase HDB to speed up the HLE myself, go for the 1st appointment and make payment to HDB myself...actually, it's a very simple job...btw, Roy from HDB is very helpful and friendly...

I got no choice but to pay him. He has already indicated even before i go for viewing...so to be fair just give him loh...most important i get what i want though i have to pay 5K to him. Think of it sometimes heartache lah...5K can buy lots of furniture liao but wat to do when the seller just bo chap? give everything to agent to settle?


bro, you think its fair? ultimately you are paying for the seller for his agent's com..which in the 1st place you shouldn't be paying for anything! you paid 2%? which is what the seller supposed to pay his agent which he engage leh... Sad

any possibility that the agent suggest to the seller to do this? anyway the agent still get his 2% and more..(cos 1% of the COV+$2k) Rolling Eyes

despicable! Twisted Evil


No...i paid 1% and seller 1%...basically, I paid the 1% which rightly to be paid by the seller...I know this. But it's the same thing if i don't pay the agent...he and seller definitely will increase the COV loh, so LPPL and I gotta pay more for the stamp fee and all those $hits...
the agent can help me to negotiate more and at least not always sided the seller...he helped me to negotiate the COV down from 60K to 20K. (Yes, I know they were unrealistic to ask for 60K in the first place) but the most important thing is I like the flat and think worth every cent of my valuation paid + 20K COV...
Just sometimes frustrated why need an agent involvement here...heartache to pay 5K to the agent...5K can buy alot of things liao...
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Post10 Oct 08 10:20 am
I don't care to pay some commission to the agent. As a buyer, I know clearly how much I will be willing to pay for a certain hdb flat. If I think I only want to offer 2k cash, I don't care how to distribute them between the agent and the seller. That's it. My last offer.
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Post10 Oct 08 10:57 am
Too bad in this forum, you dont have to register yourself. If so, I will sure dig out those agents name and report them to CPIB and sue them for corruption. Agents, be careful of all these dirty tricks you play on BUYERS and SELLERS. What goes around comes around.
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Post10 Oct 08 1:31 pm
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No...i paid 1% and seller 1%...basically, I paid the 1% which rightly to be paid by the seller...I know this. But it's the same thing if i don't pay the agent...he and seller definitely will increase the COV loh, so LPPL and I gotta pay more for the stamp fee and all those $hits...
the agent can help me to negotiate more and at least not always sided the seller...he helped me to negotiate the COV down from 60K to 20K. (Yes, I know they were unrealistic to ask for 60K in the first place) but the most important thing is I like the flat and think worth every cent of my valuation paid + 20K COV...
Just sometimes frustrated why need an agent involvement here...heartache to pay 5K to the agent...5K can buy alot of things liao...


yup, I understand that...technically you are paying the 2% lor...anyway, since you like the flat and as long as you feel the price is comfortable for you Very Happy

agreed that the frustration of the agents stirring things up...maybe like most said, $60k just trying luck (agent earning their own comm??)..can sell, sell lor...see who is the cuckoo..if not offer at +$20k (which maybe what the seller want)...haiz...things some agents do... Evil or Very Mad

yeah...$5k now can do alot..esp if you need to do reno...

anyway, imptly, as long as you like it! cheers! Very Happy
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Post10 Oct 08 4:11 pm
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Yup I fully agreed! and till now all those agents still have not answer me why do buyers of HDB has to pay them commission while buyers of private property doesn't? Any rationale? or just taking advantage of ignorant HDB BUYERS?

Hey AGENTS, where are you all not answering to this question? If you think you are worth collecting commission from us, HDB BUYERS, then tell us why it is not a practice to collect commission from PTE BUYERS? can't think of a good reason right? COZ THERE IS JUST NO GOOD REASON TO COLLECT FROM US!
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Post10 Oct 08 4:55 pm
why so angry? relax lar

no matter what you say, agents will still continue to collect from buyers... and buyers will continue to pay agents even if there is no good reason.

Why? because if buyer don;t pay, agent will just sell to someone else who would... doesn;t matter if the buyer is able to offer high price or not
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Post10 Oct 08 4:59 pm
Then all buyer don't pay loh........
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Post10 Oct 08 5:04 pm
All buyer dun pay then it will become the market trend and the agent will have no choice loh
like what i said......... best is not to engage agent for transaction. DIY
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Post10 Oct 08 5:15 pm
Not only buyer's paying 1% does not make sense, even seller's paying 2% also does not make sense. Selling a 400K flat is 8K to agents, just for simple paper work. Crazy!!
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Post10 Oct 08 5:46 pm
If doing DIY is so easy then why don;t you go do it and get your house by now? Why come here and complain? hahaha

you need agents to help you out!
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Post11 Oct 08 12:17 am
Don't worry, when I want to sell my flat, I will 101% do it myself. I'm just surveying the ground now. If there is a need, I will create a website for myself as well as for all the buyers and sellers in Singapore. It will be something like this but a restricted version restricting AGENTS!!!!!
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Post11 Oct 08 4:30 pm
Your comprehension is of english context is of absolute atrocious.

Which parents you came from?


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from the way I see it...ignorance and naive Laughing
you don't even know why you pay tax for? did you just came out from school? Razz

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There is such thing called 'market value'. Certain things just simply have market value, regardless of the amount of effort, input, etc.

Hollywood celebrities just by cutting ribbons or appearance in some events are paid millions just to be present during the events. This is market value.

You pay income tax, what has the taxman done in your job for them to collect income tax from you. Surely there are valid reasons behind everything.

Please pay your due when required, one should never shortchange others.

The agent has provided one some tangible and intangible services after the purchase, it is just that some misers choose not to recognise based only on their silly and stubborn naive thinking that the service they had already consumed they just unwilling to pay.

No free lunch in this world my friend!



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If you buy a 42' lcd tv & decide to carry home yourself. Will you tell the salesman. "Hey, i saw this promo myself, i came down myself, choose myself & even carry home myself, i am not using any service from gov. WHY AM I PAYING 7% GST???"


Simple reasoning for this fact...... If I need the company to deliver the LCD TV to my place, I pay for the delievry charge. If I carry it back myself, I dun have to. Does Harvey normal charge you delivery chatge for items you cash and carry? Obviously no right?

Do you pay commission to agent who don't service you? Another obvious no.
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Post11 Oct 08 4:34 pm
Your house made of gold, why 400K?

Please talk sense!

There is such thing called 'Market Value".


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Not only buyer's paying 1% does not make sense, even seller's paying 2% also does not make sense. Selling a 400K flat is 8K to agents, just for simple paper work. Crazy!!
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Post12 Oct 08 12:57 am
Hey, one of the agent talk to me like that " if you find out which HDB you like inform me, I will bring you there"" huh ???? talk to me like that also can huh... if I find myself why should I calling you and pay you 1% comm???? the agent crazy right?
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Post12 Oct 08 12:39 pm
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Hey, one of the agent talk to me like that " if you find out which HDB you like inform me, I will bring you there"" huh ???? talk to me like that also can huh... if I find myself why should I calling you and pay you 1% comm???? the agent crazy right?




Just treat them as begger begging for money loh. No work, want money... Pui. What market value also........ In my eye, the job an agent provide are considered low-skill set work...... Value..... To me all this work are of no value both to owner and buyer.

3 Pui for you
PUI! PUI! PUi!
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Post13 Oct 08 9:52 am
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Not only buyer's paying 1% does not make sense, even seller's paying 2% also does not make sense. Selling a 400K flat is 8K to agents, just for simple paper work. Crazy!!


8K + 7% GST...
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Post13 Oct 08 10:51 am
your grandparents lor..

Anonymous wrote:
Your comprehension is of english context is of absolute atrocious.

Which parents you came from?


Anonymous wrote:
from the way I see it...ignorance and naive Laughing
you don't even know why you pay tax for? did you just came out from school? Razz

Anonymous wrote:
There is such thing called 'market value'. Certain things just simply have market value, regardless of the amount of effort, input, etc.

Hollywood celebrities just by cutting ribbons or appearance in some events are paid millions just to be present during the events. This is market value.

You pay income tax, what has the taxman done in your job for them to collect income tax from you. Surely there are valid reasons behind everything.

Please pay your due when required, one should never shortchange others.

The agent has provided one some tangible and intangible services after the purchase, it is just that some misers choose not to recognise based only on their silly and stubborn naive thinking that the service they had already consumed they just unwilling to pay.

No free lunch in this world my friend!



Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
If you buy a 42' lcd tv & decide to carry home yourself. Will you tell the salesman. "Hey, i saw this promo myself, i came down myself, choose myself & even carry home myself, i am not using any service from gov. WHY AM I PAYING 7% GST???"


Simple reasoning for this fact...... If I need the company to deliver the LCD TV to my place, I pay for the delievry charge. If I carry it back myself, I dun have to. Does Harvey normal charge you delivery chatge for items you cash and carry? Obviously no right?

Do you pay commission to agent who don't service you? Another obvious no.
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Post13 Oct 08 11:03 am
soon when we hit reccession, a lot of us will be in bad time.... some might be out of job. But I must say, the agent will definitely be hit hard. Some will definitely be out of job.
Good time? Bad time for the property agent? We should see......
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